Here you will find my replies to the discussion on TangoVoice which are being censored by the owner without his or her notification as of mid-2018. TangoVoice apparently did not censor any discussion until the issue became hypergamy and misandry in women. Below are my responses that are being censored.


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  1. Tom · October 20

    I have to think about what Goat writes and whether I agree with it all, but I do think that he’s on the right track with some of it, whereas TangoVoice and Bonnono live in a banana land, under a rock, or whatever. The either fail or refuse to see the reality that is all around and that is reflected in tango: the aggressiveness of the left, and falling birthrates, fatherlessness, and re-emergence of traditionalism. If Goat is a misogynist, a good amount of women in tango are misandrist. Take the following exerpt from a tango blog by a woman:

    I’ve been told by women leaders that how they lead is grown out of what they want for themselves as a follow. If I miss something, a woman leader will reassure me with a little friendship squeeze.

    Lets rewrite this by switching ‘women’ for ‘male’

    Man writes: I’ve been told by male followers that how they follow is grown out of what they want for themselves as a lead. If I miss something, a male follower will reassure me with a little friendship squeeze.

    This sounds to me either gay or misogynistic, and so the reverse would be either lesbian or misandrist. So the question is how it is that women who hold men, or many men, in such contempt as to publicly denigrade them on their blog, thus exhibiting what many women are thinking privately, are in tango? Goat attempts to explain this:

    Modern western women are rejecting men sexually. They reject the notion that men should be active in bed while the woman is passive and that men should “give” women orgasms. This implies they will also reject the idea of being led by men while dancing. Some will try to lead themselves and do a bad job of it whether with men or women as followers, others will insist on blending leader and follower roles thus making a hash of things, others will dance alone at milongas, which is analogous to masturbating in public.

    I’m not sure how satisfactory it is, but it does point to a real phenomenon in tango. I personally am influenced by Roger Devlin’s “Sexual Utopia in Power”. Here is a brief summary and implications for tango:

    1. Sexual revolution of 1960, instead of expanding the amount of sex has simply redistributed it to a few highly successful men;

    2. It has also exposed the real nature of female sexuality: hypergamy.

    3. Liberated women who are now competing with men find that it’s not that easy and become envious and resentful of male power and so want to take men down.

    Whereas monogamy meant that each men got a wife and women were viewed as innocent and asexual, sexual revolution has revealed the reality that women are hypergamous: most men are never good enough for them. As a result all women gravitate to a few high status, good looking men, whereas most men go without sex.

    We can see this in tango. Most ordinary male dancers soon realise that there is no percentage dancing with beginner women (unless there’re benefits) because once these women get any good they will become entitled.

    Performers, teachers and Argentinians have the benefit of the so-called ‘stage effect’: when a man speaks and others listen this creates an image of authority and status that women find irresistable. The other men can see this and get much less generous. It’s a race to the bottom.

    Because these women don’t get enough dances, and also because they resent being led by ‘avarage’ men who are ‘not good enough’ for them, they engage in a lot of weirdness: they start dancing with other women, leading men, or dancing in such a way that the man can’t lead her. In other words, they refuse to take on the female role except with a high status male, and as Goat right points out, they give the ‘average guy’ a toxic vibe for having to ‘lower’ herself to follow him.

    TV writes: This bleak dystopian view of tango, replete with misogynistic and homophobic stereotypes, as well as portrayals of sexual interactions in stark physical terms that ignore the emotions of the participants, thereby dehumanizing them, is an assault upon the nature of tango as practiced by the overwhelming majority of dancers worldwide today. This is either the writings of a troll or the spewing of a deranged mind.

    Bonnono: Your view, assuming it is sincere and not just an attempt to get a rise out of tangovoice and its readers, is not only pessimistic in the extreme but bears little relation to actual social tango.

    Old school conservatives, liberals as well as people who benefit from the Stage Effect choose to ignore such facts at least until they’re hit in the fact or as they say ‘red pilled’. Female hypergamy was not a factor in times of monogamy prior to the sexual revoution in the 1960s and women were put on a pedestal. As misandrist women get even the leftist feminist men fired from jobs the latter they will start asking themselves questions as to the wisdom of their position. My hope is that in tango similar processes will take place.


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